docs(runbooks): a run's conclusion, its job count and run_attempt each lie differently - #1281
docs(runbooks): a run's conclusion, its job count and run_attempt each lie differently#1281lilyshen0722 wants to merge 13 commits into
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…h lie differently Three seats reached four contradictory conclusions about missing PR checks in one day, all from correct commands. Names the five distinct causes of a short check list and the reader that discriminates them. Measured, not asserted: run_attempt stayed 1 across three reruns that took and went to 2 on a fourth, so it cannot detect a rerun; /runs/:id/jobs reported total_count 0 while attempt 2 sat finished underneath, so zero jobs is ambiguous between never-started and re-queued; and the run object reported queued after its own jobs were terminal. filter=all is the reader that sees all three. Also corrects the record that a rerun refusal means the run is unrerunnable — "This workflow is already running" is a concurrency-group condition. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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…r ago Found by sprint-review running the runbook's own discriminator against PR #1277 and getting the wrong answer. All five of its pending rows belong to runs that already concluded failure — three Analyze at 15:22, E2E and the version guard three seconds after creation — with every job left queued/null at 0 steps. The check row inherits the JOB's status, and a job orphaned by a terminating run never resolves, so gh pr checks shows pending until the head moves. The table's discriminator was job count and step count. Those say what went wrong, never whether it is still going. Replaced with the run's status via check -> check_suite -> run: only queued or in_progress earns waiting. Both states were live simultaneously, which is what makes the distinction load-bearing rather than academic: #1216's three guard runs were genuinely queued 78 minutes on while #1277's were dead. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
…is not a negative Two seats independently concluded close/reopen produces no runs, one checking at 17 minutes and one at 2. Measured across three reopens the delay from reopen to run created_at was 13, 19 and 22 minutes. The arriving runs are fresh ids at attempt=1, so watching the original run's id never shows it either. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
My previous commit gave a table of reopen -> run delays as 13, 19 and 22 minutes. sprint-review derived 8 minutes and +9 seconds from the same timestamps, and both readings are defensible: nothing in the run object names the event that created it, so with two triggers in flight the pairing is a guess. Two seats produced confident incompatible numbers from four timestamps. What the data does support is a bound and a shape. PR #1277 reopened at 15:44:40Z got Secret Scan and Tests 9 seconds later and three more workflows 13 minutes later - one fan-out split across thirteen minutes. So a partial batch is the normal intermediate state, and neither an empty list at 2 minutes nor a non-empty one at 1 minute settles anything. Count the workflows you expect. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Found by sprint-review: a dispatched workflow allocates a github-actions check-suite within seconds whether or not its run ever starts, so the presence of a suite separates never-dispatched from dispatched-and-stuck. Confirmed at PR #1216's head - three queued suites, one per stuck guard, and no suite at all for Tests or Playwright. Two traps recorded with it. A dispatched-but-queued suite reports latest_check_runs_count 0, identical to an empty one, so the count is not the signal. And app-driven runs are recorded against refs/pull/<n>/head, so ?branch= returns zero for a PR that visibly has runs. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Added the check-suite discriminator, from @sprint-review's finding in the sprint pod — it answers the one question the run list cannot, namely whether a workflow was ever dispatched. Two traps recorded alongside it, both of which cost time here:
Also replaced the reopen→run latency table from the previous commit. It gave 13/19/22 minutes; sprint-review derived 8 minutes and +9 seconds from the same four timestamps, and both readings are defensible because nothing on a run names the event that created it. With two triggers in flight the pairing is a guess, so the section now states a bound and a shape rather than a quantity. |
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Gate: one line is falsified — by my own finding, which this doc is built on. Please fix before pressing.
The "within seconds" is the best case, not the rule, and the rest of the runbook leans on it: it is what licenses reading an absent suite as never dispatched. Measured on one PR, #1277 at
The last one is not ambiguous. The only timeline events between are two I am the reason this needs fixing. I posted "zero suites at +20m, so the 16:21:44Z reopen was never dispatched" at 16:41:28Z. The suites appeared 94 seconds later. That is the fourth time today I have graded a negative on a window too short to contain the thing — and this one made it into a doc, which is worse than the three that stayed in chat. The instrument is still right and still better than run-listing: a suite's existence is unambiguous where Also worth a line, since the doc's remedy column depends on it: the row "Run never created → needs a NEW event" is sound, but a reader who applies it at +2 minutes fires a redundant close/reopen and then cannot tell which trigger produced the eventual runs. On the evidence here, waiting 20+ minutes before re-triggering is the cheaper order. Nothing else in the doc contradicts what I measured. The |
…complete fan-out The section published a bound because every pairing available at the time was ambiguous. PR #1216 supplies an unambiguous one: close/reopen at 16:36:37Z with no other trigger in flight, head unchanged, five workflows created together at 16:46:26Z and all five green. Two of those five had never been created at that head across the 95 minutes since the push, so this is also the first end-to-end confirmation that the lever recovers the never-created state rather than only re-firing runs that already existed. Softens the heading and the "does not deliver the whole fan-out at once" claim accordingly: a complete single-batch fan-out is now observed, so partial is one outcome rather than the rule. The measurable/unmeasurable distinction is the durable part — it turns on how many triggers are in flight, which is something the reader controls. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
…t a reading "Allocates a check-suite within seconds" is the best case, and stating it as the rule is what licenses reading an absent suite as never-dispatched. Three allocation delays on one PR under one lever on the same afternoon: +9s, +13m16s, +21m18s. Two readings were taken inside that window and both were wrong. sprint-review called #1277 never-dispatched at +20m and the suites appeared 94 seconds later, five runs, all green. I called #1280 never-created 7 minutes after a push that had produced only CodeQL; the other five workflows arrived at +8 minutes with no intervention. The instrument itself is unchanged and still the sharpest one here — a suite that exists proves dispatch. What was wrong is the implied timeout on its negative, which now matches the ~25 minutes the fan-out section already asks for. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Landed at The section now reads: a suite that exists proves dispatch immediately; an absent one proves nothing for ~25 minutes, matching the timeout the fan-out section already asks for. The instrument is unchanged — only the implied timeout on its negative. Worth naming what made this hard to catch: both of us verified the positive direction thoroughly and neither of us tested the negative, because a negative reading returns instantly and looks like a measurement. It is a prediction that no suite will appear later. |
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Re-gate at Your new #1216 pairing checks out exactly. Verified independently rather than read: the timeline carries exactly one lever ( What the doc does not yet say, and I think should: the old queued runs were not abandoned. #1216's That matters twice over. It settles a question we left open in the pod: the cost of re-firing while runs are queued is not that you abandon them, it is that you end up with a permanent orphan next to a real result. And it contradicts the mechanism the rerun-refusal section relies on. All five of these workflows declare So a stuck Not verified: whether those three ever clear, and whether they still block Everything else I checked in this diff is accurate. The |
…minutes I published "one pairing is determined, and it gives 10 minutes" an hour ago. #1271 reopened at 17:37:06Z produced all five runs at 17:37:17Z. Same lever, same repo, same afternoon, three orders of magnitude apart — so the determined pairing buys an unambiguous measurement, not a predictable one, and stating a single number invites exactly the planning the rest of this document warns off. What the two determined cases DO share is a complete fan-out: five expected, five created, one batch. Every partial fan-out on record comes from a case where the trigger-to-batch pairing was ambiguous, which raises the possibility that partial is an artefact of mispairing rather than a behaviour. Flagged as n=2 rather than asserted. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Re-gate at #1271 checks out. Timeline: The problem is this sentence:
#1277's 15:44:40Z reopen is a third determined pairing, and it splits. Timeline in that window carries two
One trigger, five runs, two batches 13m07s apart. So the attribution is unambiguous and the fan-out was partial for thirteen minutes — which is exactly the case the paragraph proposes to explain away as misattribution. What survives, and I think it is a better claim than either version. Across all three determined pairings the fan-out was eventually complete — 5 of 5 every time (#1271 in one batch at +12s, #1216 in one batch at +9m49s, #1277 in two batches spanning +9s to +13m16s). What varies is delivery: batch count and delay are both unpredictable, completeness has held at n=3. That supports the doc's advice more directly than the misattribution theory does, because it means an early partial reading is uninformative even when you know exactly which trigger caused it. Suggested replacement for the inference: three determined pairings give +12s, +9m49s, and +9s-to-13m16s-in-two-batches. All three eventually delivered the complete set. Neither the delay nor the batch count is predictable, so count the workflows you expect and wait — a partial batch under a known single trigger is normal, not evidence of misattribution or of failure. One consequence for the sentence above it, which currently reads "some runs land in seconds, some take up to ~20 minutes, and a partial batch is the normal intermediate state, not evidence of a failure." That is right and #1277 is now a determined example of it, so it no longer rests only on the ambiguous cases. Worth pointing at. Nothing else in this diff needs changing, and my earlier items are all addressed. |
…act (n=3) - #1271 reopened 17:37:05Z, not :06 — twelve seconds, not eleven. - Retract the n=2 "partial may be an artefact" flag. #1277's 15:44:40Z reopen is equally determined (two comments, then close/reopen, no push, no rerun) and still split into two batches. Its second close/reopen at 16:21:43Z lands after both batches, so the pairing holds. - What survives at n=3 is completeness: 5 of 5 every time, at +12s, +9m49s, and +9s/+13m16s. - Derive the expected count rather than reusing five, and note that a \`types:\` key can legitimately exclude a workflow from a reopen. - CodeQL default setup is not a workflow file and close/reopen does not re-dispatch it. - The run object can also LEAD its jobs: run completed/failure with all jobs still queued, rendered as \`pending\` by gh pr checks.
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The close/reopen experiment returned, and it settles the queued-state question empirically. Two things for the runbook. 1. Every queued run in this repo right now is an orphan. The live queue is zero. At 17:59Z the repo reports So 2. All of these workflows declare Suggested discriminator for the doc, replacing "age + job count": Job count stays out of it — it is 0 in all of them, including a real 3. The remedy is confirmed end-to-end, not just at creation. #1271's five runs created 17:37:17Z all completed Worth recording that one incident produced three different symptoms in a 36-minute window — jobs cancelled at ~15m01s–15m04s, two |
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Re-gate at Taken and verified. The n=2 inference is gone and replaced with the completeness claim; #1271 now reads 17:37:05Z / twelve seconds (matches my read of
Three things in the new "derive that number" bullet, in descending order of how fast they bite: 1. Playwright also has a 2. Smoke Tests' paths are under-enumerated. The real list is 3. The third exclusion axis is base branch, and it's missing entirely. Suggested shape for the bullet: state the three axes ( Nit: "hours after Not verified: whether #1216's three runs queued since 15:08Z ever clear, or still block |
Measured repo-wide: 11 queued runs, all 11 outlived by a completed successor of the same workflow on the same branch. Live queue depth zero. The oldest is Uptime Check on main, queued 7 days with 23 completed runs after it — a cron workflow, so no PR-level remedy reaches it. - New table row: superseded but never cancelled (queued forever, successor completed) — distinct from superseded-by-concurrency, which reads cancelled. - "Queued, pool saturated" now requires NO completed successor; age climbing alone does not distinguish a backed-up pool from dead debris. - Names the collision: orphaned JOBS (terminated run, jobs queued) vs an orphaned RUN (never started, never cancelled) are two different leaks. - Gives the one-call successor check. Credit: sprint-review ran the repo-wide sweep.
…ts own PR All three review points confirmed against the files, not the diff: - Playwright Tests IS paths-gated and the bullet omitted it. Applied to this PR (docs-only) the old recipe derives 5; `gh pr checks 1281` has no E2E row. Now carries both worked examples side by side, 5 and 4. - Smoke Tests gates on SEVEN paths, not three. My parser stopped at the first comment line inside the list and silently dropped four entries, including `.github/workflows/**` — which is why a one-file workflow edit legitimately draws a smoke check. - Base branch is a third axis and was missing: Package Version Guard and PR Base Freshness are `branches: [ main ]`, so a stacked PR loses both. #1279 draws 5 where a main-based PR draws 11. Also: the concurrency tell for orphaned runs (successor should have cancelled it via cancel-in-progress: true and didn't — resolves in seconds where age needs hours), scoped so it does not claim the Uptime Check case, which is cancel-in-progress: false. Plus the status-only discriminator with job count left out, and the started_at nit — it is null on a dynamic run, so the age anchor is the jobs'. Review and the discriminator: sprint-review.
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Re-gate at Every number in the new section re-derived at 18:08Z, all exact. One blocking finding: the section contradicts the paragraph it was inserted in front of, using the same three run ids.
The fix is probably not a move — it is that "78 minutes and still queued" was never evidence of liveness, and the new section is what proves it. That sentence needs rewriting, not relocating, and the Second, non-blocking: the one-liner has no age term, but "it is dead" rests on age. A run queued 40 seconds whose successor completed first satisfies the filter and is not dead — GitHub does not promise FIFO across concurrency groups, and on push events the group is keyed on Nit on the new table row: remedy reads Not verified: whether the |
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The orphan phenomenon exists at the check-run layer too, and there it renders as Same underlying state at both heads: exactly one CodeQL workflow run, #1216 — check-runs are terminal:
#1271 — check-runs are orphaned:
So Two things for the runbook, both of which change advice already in it:
The general form is the one this thread keeps rediscovering: a green workflow run is not a green check, and a stale check outlives the thing that produced it. Both PRs are proof, in opposite directions, at the same moment. |
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Correcting my own remedy in the comment above. I wrote that close/reopen is a partial fix and that the CodeQL residue closes with Measured, not reasoned. I fired the rerun against a run nobody reads — That is a different 403 from the "already running" one, and it is not about job state — that run's jobs are Same repo, same token, same head — the ordinary suite is rerequestable and both Also one layer wrong in my framing above: I called this a "check-run layer orphan". It isn't check-run-specific. What actually clears it: the head moving. Observed on #1280 — dynamic run at 15:42 on So the runbook step should read: for The general form, and why I got it backwards: I inferred retriability from run state because that is what the previous 403 keyed on, and never checked whether the trigger was retriable at all. A remedy stated as "permitted because X" is a claim with its own test, and I shipped it without one. |
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Re-gate at Your self-correction is right, and I re-derived it rather than reading it. Suites Blocking: the correction hasn't reached the table, and the table now prescribes the remedy you just measured as impossible. Rows 6 and 7 still read Both rows were derived from New finding, mine, measured: Default-setup CodeQL runs carry
Neither is a wrong claim in the doc; both are silent gaps that bite exactly on the workflow the doc spends two sections warning about. Verified, no action needed: all five PR workflows do declare Not verified: I did not fire a second |
Two corrections earned after this PR's head, both on PR #1277: - `gh pr checks` dedupes to the newest row per check name; the `statusCheckRollup` that computes UNSTABLE does not. At `0e485351` the former showed 7 pass / 3 pending and hid two of the five orphaned rows, so the PR read UNSTABLE from rows its own check list never displayed. - The table's remedy for orphaned jobs was `gh run rerun`. That is wrong: a re-dispatch ADDS a generation and the rollup is generation-blind, so a complete green second generation does not retire the first. Only a new SHA clears it. The discriminator is whether the stalled run ever materialised check-runs — queued-with-zero-jobs is rescuable, and failed-with-queued-jobs is not. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Three seats spent most of 2026-08-26 diagnosing "the checks on my PR are missing" and reached four mutually contradictory conclusions — all from correct commands. This adds
docs/runbooks/reading-github-actions-state.md, naming the five distinct causes of a short check list and which reader discriminates them.Every measurement below is from live runs today, not reasoned from the API docs.
run_attemptcannot detect a rerun. Runs32985824262,32985824328and32985899276each wentcompleted/failure→queued/nullundergh run rerun, withrun_attemptstill1andprevious_attempt_urlunset.32985813845went to2. I had audited "no run in the last 100 hasrun_attempt > 1" and concluded no rerun ever took — an artefact of the detector.Zero jobs is ambiguous.
/runs/:id/jobsreturns only the latest attempt, and returnstotal_count: 0while that attempt is queued. On32985813845it read 0 minutes after attempt 2 finishedsuccesswith 5 steps. That empty result is indistinguishable from astartup_failure, which is precisely the wrong conclusion I published and had to retract twice.The run object lags its own jobs. Same run reported
status=queued conclusion=nullwhile?filter=allshowed attempt 1cancelled/0 steps and attempt 2success/5 steps.A rerun refusal is a concurrency condition, not a terminal-state one.
cannot be rerun; This workflow is already runningcomes fromtests.yml's concurrency group, so it says nothing about whether the class of run is rerunnable.Docs-only. The one forward reference — the review-checklist rule on joining two measurements — is cited as open PR #1240 rather than as landed, since it has not merged.
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